Unboxing Sino-doll SI-172/H body style with S4 head aka ›Britt‹

Hi,

it's time for a preliminary conclusion. It will be preliminary, because there is still so much work in progress involved, and because there is so much that did not go as expected.

Firstly, the Sino-doll lineup has a steep price tag. The MRP prices put these dolls automatically in the medium to upper medium range. In combination with the breathtaking announcements, I was hoping for a product with the potential to challenge Doll Sweet or at least to catch up with the (very few) medium to upper medium range Chinese silicone manufacturers in regard to manufacturing quality.

From my experience with other brands I know that medium range to high end dolls do not sell themself. To convice customers that the higher prices are really justified by better products, a lot of advocating is required. The benefits need to be explained over and over again, and photographic evidence is required to demonstrate that the better tech actually results in better dolls. To support this tedious advocating, manufacturers are required to disclose technical details most are very hesitant to even talk about. Credibility is crucial to convince customers to shell out more money.

This was my motivation to purchase a review sample. I wanted to see if the doll from the ambitious Sino-doll brand would compete with the breathtaking silicone newcomers from this year. And I wanted to have something in my hands to demonstrate the greatness I was hoping to find. I had planned to keep this doll for showcasing and photography. Finally - a managable life-sized doll for 'real' women's clothing and footwear! Yes, I was pretty excited about this doll.

None of this turned out how I expected. The first impresions were good, but with every closer look pretty much the opposite of what I was expecting showed up. What I found was neither as it was advertised now how it had been confirmed. The publicly announced weight reduction from September turned out to be fake news; instead of shoe size 34 (3.5 US) I got a doll with baby feet. Resulting from the high weight, small feet and inconsistently adjusted joints, the doll can not stand reliably. And I can still not make sense of how the shoulder joints respectively shrugging shoulders work; the complete shoulder girdle has loose joints that do not keep any pose, so on upright photos this doll has always handling shoulders.

The sheer amount of bits & pieces that were not as expected covered over that definitely not everything is bad on this doll. There are some potential improvements over the Z-Onedoll ancestors; e.g. the tanned skin tone is amazing, the body makeup appears to be permanent, and body makeup looks good. Also, for certain use cases the more loose joints are beneficial - they just don't make any sense in a doll with 'standing feet' option. And this leads me to what I see as the real problem with this doll and the Sino-doll brand as it currently is - credibility and trust.

Workers can be trained to adjust the joints with more precision and a sense how the skeleton is supposed to work as a whole; neck connectors can be re-designed or shortened; and a flawed mould can be repaired or replaced by a better one. All of this is possible - if there is a willingness to make real improvements, opposed to just make verbal promises.

After the - sadly - completely dishonest and misleading announcement about weight reductions - which by the way is still repeated unquestioned by all other vendors I have checkd in the past days - and the misleading confirmation of a weight of 36 kg before placing the order for this doll, the crucial question was how Sino-doll would deal with the ugly situation. What I expected was a very quick and determined response - take a doll in the factory, check all measurements, fix the English website and issue a memo to all vendors with the updated specs. None of this has happened so far. At least, this morning the weight specs were changed - after a whole week. The whole way Sino-doll was dealing with the whole situation did not convince me about this particular willingness to make real improvements I mentioned above.

However, I still hope for the best.

The facts I can state is that so far, Sino-doll primarily made breathtaking announcements while others demonstrated breathtaking real products. So far, Sino-doll did not keep the breathtaking promises while others have breathtaking products ready for sale - products which actually meet the advertised specs. I think it's now time for Sino-doll to sincerely contemplate what they want to be in half a year - yet another fradulent company trying to tear down ethical conventions and compete with East-asian business malpractices by fabricated product descriptions, or a honest and credible competitor, challenging the upper medium range brands by hard work and real products. One strategy would be targeted rather at the less critial low-end discounter segment, the other could put into ranks with Doll Sweet, 4woods and Orient Industry. The next months will show which patch Sino-doll chooses. If they decide for the latter, Sino-doll will have my full support on any step of their way, no matter what mess happened with this review sample.

But I need to be able to trust Sino-dolls announcements again, and I need to be able to verify good intentions by real actions. If Sino-dolls announces the next weight reduction, there needs to be an actual product matching the announcement. A weigh mismatch of more than 20% between advertising and real product should never happen again.

As far as improvements for the SI-172/H are concerned, this would be my (personal) priorities list for the essentials to be fixed:

1. Weight reduction as specified - crucial;
2. Proper shoulder joints that don't hang down;
3. Enable proper standing (will resolve itself with either correct joint adjustment and/or weight reduction and/or bigger feet).

Everything else - neck connector, seamlines, eye mechanism and so on - are (imho) subordinated to these issues. However, this would 'just' be the doll I expected to get. I think there is a market for tall dolls with managable weight, but it is not necessarily a bestseller.

The other route would be to just accept that the SI-172/H is and will be heavy, forget about standing and posing capabilities and market her as a mere sex doll. For this a variant, cleaner seamlines would be beneficial, and the interior of the body cavities should to be disclosed because of the cleaning issue raised by Aeron. There are probably other viable routes for Sino-doll to take as well, and the potential to suceed on one of these routes is there. Only the one most convenient route consisting of lying, misleading and spreading fake news should - IMHO - be taboo for Sino-doll, likewise for any other ambitious quality manufacturer.

I will update this post from time to time with updates and new developments, e.g. if there is interest for this SI-172/H in TDF's For Sale section.

Sandro

Hi,

regarding potential adapters, Sino-doll told me that only the connector part in the head is removable. That limits the range of possible adapters, but some interesting types will work.

This is a Doll Sweet ›Youyi‹ head in LPink on the SI-172/H body:

Except for the skin tone mismatch it doesn't look to bad…

…until you bend her neck. You can check in the mirror where your own neck bends when you nod. I think it's a couple of vertebrae higher.

Bending sideways shows some gap around the neck, but no noticable gap between head and body.

This is interesting, this appears as if the DS heads with adapter fit better than the Sino-doll S4 head…

Aaahh, also spotted a (very minor) mistake for the first time - the tan lines end with the seamline on the front. There are no bikini lines on the back. Must be a strapless bikini or some new kind of trompe-l'œil style

Sandro

Hi,

I made another crossover experiment.

This is a Z-Onedoll head in one of the tan-ish skin colors from last year:

Looks nice, right?

Z-Onedoll heads have a standard M16 thread. You just have to remove the grub and replace it with the connector from the Sino-doll head - ready. No adapter required.

The bent neck looks still odd:

So there really is something in the skeleton which needs to be fixed.

But now it gets interesting:

This Z-Onedoll head fits perfectly to the Sino-doll neck!

No gap!

Also, skin tones match to a degree which is almost invisible!

She looks cute with a wig!

So the Z-Onedoll heads are simpler in details like mouth, teeth and facial makeup, but at least this Z-Onedoll head specimen fits better to this Sino-doll body specimen.

So I'd dare say that the possible head choices for Sino-doll bodies just increased by 24 Z-Onedoll heads.

Those are still available from Z-Onedoll: A10, A16, A20, A21, A26, A28, A29, A32, A33, A35, A35b, A39, A41, A43, A44, A45, A46, A48, A50, A51, A52, A53, A54, A55.

Sandro

Hi,

there were a couple of requests for pictures from behind.

Here are a couple of quick shots:

'Doggystyle' position:

Laying flat on her stomach:

Legs spread:

Laying sideways:

Sandro